BS/MD Interviews - yours to lose!

By @NoviceDad
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23 Jan, 2019
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BS/MD Interviews: Yours to lose!

By @NoviceDad,

Executive Coach, Ritvik Coaching, a division of Ritvik Consulting, Inc.

Getting an interview call = achievement!

Congratulations if you are one of the selected candidates for BS/MD or BS/DO interviews.

You are part of select students who charmed the admissions reviewers at the undergraduate university who forwarded your application to the medical school and they also agreed with your application, your story, your essays, your teachers recommendations and that you may be the candidate they are looking for. Here are some statistics to indicate how selective this process: The two diagrams show the numbers for 2018 cycle for 2 programs: Penn state/ Jefferson and Rice / Baylor. If you notice, you probably are among the ~100 students if you get an interview call from Penn i.e. among ~3% of all who applied. For Rice/Baylor, that ratio is ~1% of all who applied.

(Data Source: Respective colleges; Diagram: Ritvik Coaching, a division of Ritvik Consulting, Inc.)

What interview means

Interviews means they want to know more about you so that they can give you admission.
Interviews are focused towards acceptance and not rejection. The process reaching up to interviews may have a focus on elimination since only ~ 1% to 3% of the candidates get called for interviews. But, I repeat - Interviews are focused towards acceptance and not rejection. Look at the data shared above. Post interview, you have >25% to 60% chance of getting an acceptance! The end result may be a rejection due to number constraints but the interview focus is towards acceptance.

Types of interviews

The following schematic highlights the common types of BS/MD interviews and example colleges which utilize them:

(Source: Ritvik Coaching, a division of Ritvik Consulting, Inc.)

One-on-One interviews are what I would call “traditional” interview format. The interviewer and student have a conversation for about 30 min to 1 hour on the knowing more about the student, his/her achievements, weaknesses, maturity and why he/she wants to pursue this path of medical education.

Group interviews introduce group dynamics into the interviewing process and colleges attempt to see how you think and operate with a set of “strangers.” This aims to highlight your communication skills, your group dynamics and other aspects of your personality i.e. in essence this is focused on your softer skills.

MMI format involves short <10 minute interviews with multiple interviews at various (7 to 10) “stations.” There are a number of situation scenarios where you are required to have a meaningful discussion.

There is a trend towards MMI format. One key reason is that MMIs allow the colleges to see the students’ thought process when presented with different scenarios. It also minimizes interviewer bias and can be structured and scored relatively uniformly. Another effect of MMIs is that students will know that they did “well” in the interview or not and thus are less likely to question the admission process. The advantage for you as a student is that there are 7 to 10 occasions where you can show your strengths and shine.

Want to crack your interview? Keep useful interview tips in mind:

1) Know yourself and why you want to do medicine and why do you want to do at this BS/MD program…. this is really the key. Questions like “Tell me something about yourself”, “why do you want to pursue medicine?” and “what makes the program attractive to you?” are very common in interviews.

2) Know your application - even if no questions are asked from your application, you should know what you have written. More often than not, you will be asked details which you have to substantiate. Example: You have listed you have done research on impact of curcumin on cancer. Why did you chose this research? What challenges did you face in this research?

3) One-on-one interviews by nature are conversational- so have a conversation. Very few questions will be yes/no questions and hence you have the freedom to expand and “steer” the conversation towards your strengths.

4) “Will this person be my future colleague?” is something on the back of the mind of the interviewer when they interview you. How you project yourself, your calmness, your maturity and your knowledge is crucial.

5) People can see through fakery - so be yourself. Occasional “I do not know” is ok in the interviews.

6) Passion and confidence will take your far. Overconfidence will “kill” you. And arrogance is one-way ticket to rejection.

7) Dress professionally. In my line of business work, I have seen people rejected for being dressed casually and unprofessionally. Keep enough mints and drink enough water to avoid getting your mouths dry.

8) Be there on time. Plan for delays and getting lost despite having a GPS. Ask for directions if lost.

9) Many interviewers ask you - “Do you have any questions for me?” Prepare for this - you should have at least 3 targeted questions for this. You can ask about their research program, ask the interviewer why he/she chose his/her specialty or what should one do over summer (depending on the conversation). Do NOT ask about will I get AP credits or will I get in.

10)Seek blessings from your GOD, your parents, elders and well-wishers. You want “the force to be with you” and on this earth, these folks are the force.

In conclusion

Interviews are your chance to shine. You have >25% to 60% of getting an acceptance. It’s yours to lose!

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Navigating the Competitive Landscape of BS/MD Program Admissions: A Statistical Overview

By @NoviceDad • May 29, 2024

Introductions

For high school students aspiring to become physicians, gaining admission into a BS/MD program can be a dream come true. These highly competitive combined Bachelor of Science and Doctor of Medicine programs offer a streamlined path to becoming a doctor, often without the need for a separate medical school application. Given the prestige and efficiency of these programs, it's no surprise that the application process is intense and selective.

A March-2024 poll on Reddit (on r/bsmd, which has 2K members) conducted by the author sheds light on the number of interviews students typically receive, providing valuable insights into the competitive nature of these programs. 157 respondents voted on the online poll. Please note these are self-reported by the applicants and we do not know what the data is for the applicants who did not respond.

Poll Results: A Snapshot of BS/MD Interview Invitations

Out of 157 total respondents, the distribution of BS/MD interview invitations received by applicants is as follows:

# of Interviews	# of respondents	% of total
Zero	23	14.6
1 to 2	62	39.5
3 to 5	49	31.2
5 to 8	15	9.6
>= 9	8	5.1
TOTAL	157	100

Source: March 2024 poll conducted by the author on Reddit (r/bsmd).

These results highlight several key trends and insights into the BS/MD application process.

The Reality for Many: No Interviews

A significant portion of applicants, 14.6%, or roughly 1 in 7 applicants, did not receive any interviews. This statistic underscores the high level of competition and the rigorous selection criteria of BS/MD programs. Many applicants may meet the academic requirements but still face challenges in securing interviews due to the holistic nature of the selection process, which often includes considerations of extracurricular activities, leadership experiences, essays, and recommendation letters.

The Most Common Outcome: 1 to 2 Interviews

The largest group of respondents, accounting for 39.5%, received between one and two interviews. This suggests that while securing interviews is challenging, a considerable number of applicants manage to attract the interest of at least one or two programs. For these students, the focus likely shifts to making a strong impression during their interviews to maximize their chances of admission.

More Successful: 3 to 5 Interviews

Approximately 31.2% of respondents received between three and five interview invitations. This group represents a relatively successful segment of applicants who likely have strong applications that stand out across multiple programs. These students might benefit from having multiple options and the ability to compare different programs to find the best fit for their medical education journey.

High Achievers: 5 or More Interviews

At the top end of the spectrum, 9.6% of applicants received five to eight interviews, and a smaller elite group of 5.1% secured nine or more interview invitations. These students likely have exceptional academic records, significant extracurricular achievements, and compelling personal stories that resonate with admissions committees. Their success in securing multiple interviews indicates a high level of preparedness and competitiveness in the application process.

Implications for Future Applicants

Understanding the distribution of interview invitations can help future applicants set realistic expectations and develop strategies to enhance their applications. Here are a few takeaways:

· Holistic Preparation: Given the competitive nature of BS/MD programs, applicants should focus on building a well-rounded profile that includes strong academics, meaningful extracurricular involvement, and compelling essays. The preparation should start during the freshmen year itself.

· Tailored Applications: Applying to a range of programs with varying levels of competitiveness may increase the chances of securing interviews. It’s essential to research each program’s specific requirements, for example, RPI values research while Union values leadership experiences, and tailor applications accordingly.

· Interview Preparation: For those who secure interviews, thorough preparation is crucial. This includes practicing common interview questions, understanding the specific program's values and goals, and being able to articulate one’s passion for medicine clearly and confidently.

Conclusion

The data on BS/MD program interviews highlights the competitive and selective nature of these pathways to becoming a physician. While many applicants face challenges in securing interviews, those who do often demonstrate a high level of preparation and achievement. For aspiring medical students, understanding these trends can provide valuable insights and help in strategizing for future applications. As the landscape of medical education continues to evolve, staying informed and prepared remains key to success in gaining admission to these coveted programs.

Odds of getting accepted to a medical school. A simple mathematical model.

By @NoviceDad • May 2, 2021

A common question we get is “What is the probability of getting accepted into a medical school?” Getting into a medical school depends on several factors – GPA, test scores, essays, letters of recommendations, yield management decision of colleges, your luck, and more.

A related question is “What can we do to increase out odds of getting accepted?” i.e. things that we can control and possibly influence. One factor under the control of students is the number of colleges to apply and the list of colleges to apply.

A mathematical model can offer some guidance into number of schools to apply. One way to look at the mathematics of acceptance is to rely on Binomial probabilities. We present a simplified model which one looks at the number of applications and its impact on potential medical school acceptance.

Let us denote p as the acceptance rate at a university i.e. success.
For my example, I have assumed this to be constant and equal to 2.4% (that is approximately the average acceptance rate based on AAMC application data).

Thus, p = 0.024

Let us denote q as the failure rate.

Now, we know
q = 1 - p
q = 1 - 0.024
q = 0.976

Probability of getting AT LEAST 1 acceptance = 1 - probability of getting ZERO acceptances

Binomial probability is given by this formula: nCr * p^n * q^(1-n)

Where

n = number of program one applies to

r = number of acceptances

nCr = Binomial coefficient in combination format

Let’s assume you apply to 15 programs, n = 15
Probability of getting ZERO acceptance means r = 0

Probability of getting ZERO acceptance = P(r = 0)

P(r=0) = 15 C 0 * (0.024)^0 * (0.976)^15

P(r=0) = 0.69461997

Probability of getting AT LEAST 1 acceptance = P(r >=1) = 1 - P(r=0)

P(r>=1) = 1 - 0.69461997
P(r>=1) = 0.30538003 OR 30.54%

If you apply to 15 colleges, there is 30.54% chance you will get at least 1 acceptance.

Here is the probability of getting AT LEAST 1 acceptance for various N (number of applications): Please refer to chart below.

2021 BS/MD Program List

By Priti Shah • May 2, 2021

NOTE: Universities change their programs and/or criteria constantly. In many cases, they may discontinue their BS/MD program. This list is for informational purposes only. Please contact the respective university to find out about the current program and associated requirements.

The list is in alphabetical order by state.

Why BS/MD?

By @NoviceDad • May 8, 2020

If you are sure about pursuing Medicine as a career, should you opt for BS/MD programs or pursue the traditional pre-med / Medical route?

At the outset, let me share a statistic: Less than approx. 5% of all medical school students come through the BS/MD route. So clearly, a very small minority of student population is opting for BS/MD. But do not let that statistic mislead you. Why? Because universities offer <5% seats to their BS/MD programs. If they offer more seats, this percentage would be a lot higher.

The above dilemma becomes more important if you have secured an offer of admission from an Ivy-league level university. We must guard against one important thought-process - "If you can get an admission to Ivy-league undergrad then you can surely get admission into the "top ranked" medical school." Most general folks are unfamiliar with the medical school admissions process and therefore they can get into the above thought process.

And add to that the potential scope of obtaining merit based scholarships while pursuing the traditional route.

Yes, with good grades, great MCAT score (>515), a resume complete with research, shadowing, volunteer and other factors, will get you a medical school admission. It may or may not be the same "Ivy-league kind" of schools.

What I am sharing here are some of the RISKS involved in the traditional pre-med / Medical route:

1) Potential to complete your medical school in an accelerated manner: Many BS/MD programs are accelerated 7 year programs. A few are 8 year programs. 6 year programs have become rare after the recent change in MCAT examination. This means you can save one full year from the long-drawn process (11+ years) to become a medical doctor.

2) Gap year(s): Even if you are from an Ivy League with great MCAT scores, we have numerous number (not outliers) of cases where students have had to take a gap year to strength their application. According to Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC), 63.4% of matriculating students into a medical school had a gap year in 2018 and that percentage has been steadily increasing every year. To me, this represents a VERY HUGE risk as there is approximately 63% chance, you or your child may be hit with a gap year. And yes, if you get an admission after a gap year, you will be counted in the ~95% of the matriculants to a medical school via the traditional route.

3) “Non-traditional” students: These are students with 2 or more gap years. It appears that "Ivy League" medical schools are matriculating more and more non-traditional students. Nearly 68% of students that matriculated into University of Pennsylvania’s Medical School are non-traditional. At Northwestern University, that percentage is lower but still significant at 23%. This trend is creating an extra pressure among students to take additional gap years to keep up with the competition.

4) Low GPA: For traditional route, the impact of grade deflation or student not able to cope up with college due to bad selection of courses or other distractions is very real. FOR BS/MD, most colleges are flexible and supportive of their students. For example, at NU, you can take an extra-year in undergrad to pull-up your GPA to meet the HPME requirements. You do NOT have that luxury in a traditional route.

5) The Myth that "since I can into Ivy League undergrad, I can definitely get into "Ivy League" medical school": This myth has been broken so many times that there are "skeletons of students aspirations" lying around.

6) Plan B: Selecting a "proper" undergrad is important - many kids take biology as their undergrad for both BS/MD and traditional route. If you look at career prospects for biology majors, you will quickly come to a conclusion, they are limited. So it would not have mattered if you did biology major at Princeton or Rutgers. On the other hand, if a student has interest in mathematics or computer science, doing that minor / double major would open up many options - even if you did that at Rutgers. So, undergrad college + major are both important. In that case, one has to plan for Plan B in the first year of college itself. That means - more work because you may have to load yourself with more coursework to do a meaningful minor or double major. How many parents/ kids are thinking about this?

So, the question of ask – are you comfortable with the risks with the traditional pre-med/ Medical route?

It boils down to that!

List of BS/MD Programs

By Priti Shah • May 4, 2019

NOTE: Universities change their programs and/or criteria constantly. In many cases, they may discontinue BS/MD program. This list is for informational purposes only. Please contact the respective university to find out about the current program and associated requirements.

List is in alphabetical order.

BS/MD Interviews - yours to lose!

Navigating the Competitive Landscape of BS/MD Program Admissions: A Statistical Overview

Odds of getting accepted to a medical school. A simple mathematical model.

2021 BS/MD Program List

Why BS/MD?

List of BS/MD Programs

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